Perhaps Column heads could be “Electric” / “Heat” and then another column “Period” - e.g. “last 365 days”, with those being less than this greyed out more.
Energy use averaged out over a year anecdotally follows a sine wave peaking mid winter and dipping mid summer to zero (somewhat logical).
If a sine wave is assumed then I think in theory a sine curve and with in annual use could be deduced from a single data point (even 1 day, but 1 week or 1 month would be better) - as frequency is known as annual, and the dip at mid year can be assumed 0 for no heat required. Although won’t be possible to forecast if you only have a summer period with no use.
Here’s a quick analysis of running costs for 18 heatpumps listed, ordered by descending SCOP, vs the equivalent cost for a 90% efficient gas boiler (red line), using current the Energy Price Guarantee (as set by UK Government). Analysis may not translate to other countries.
The three darker bars are systems with a complete set of data for the whole year, others are not.
Four paler bars have less than 30 days worth of data, and may change over the year.
Majority of these heatpumps are proving to be cheaper to run than an equivalent gas system.
System #18 is clearly an outlier, and does not perform as well as we’d expect for a heatpump.
Caveat: this is a very small sample, and is heavily skewed towards heatpump owners who have invested in getting good performance from their systems.
The actual running costs will depend on the particular tariff that each homeowner is using, and may be offset by solar PV or other renewable technologies.
Hello,
I have just joined the forum and prepared a message and then lost it just when I was ready to post it…grrr!
Anyway hello and if this message sends successfully I will then send the longer message.
RJK
Sorry to read you had a problem, no doubt you’ll get the hang of it soon. Note that for a while, you’re limited in what you can attach to a post. If it’s a problem, ask. It’s an automatic ‘feature’ to inhibit spammers, and can be set aside quite easily.
Actually, I’m surprised you did really lose it - because I can change browsers and recover a post I was writing, so it might still pop up when you’re least expecting it.
This is an important point and means we definitely don’t have a representative sample. It’s self-selected from people who have opted to install heat metering (often at extra cost) and have also taken the trouble to collect and then publish the data (and probably made configuration tweaks based on the data collected). It would not surprise me if these are among the best-performing installations in the country.
For me the key point is this dashboard shows heat pumps can and do work perfectly well in a wide range of settings and a CoP of 3.5 is a reasonable expectation in the real world, not just in a manufacturer’s lab.
Thanks Tim. I’m liking the extra info on the new page. Makes it obvious my GSHP is the only system without an inverter drive (so my compressor is only ever On or Off, and pulls 2kW whenever it’s On) - which is related to it spending most of its time in standby (but with the circulation pump running) hence contributing to the highest-by-far standby power consumption total.
Is the sorting right on this new 30 day dashboard @Timbones ? I click on the COP heading, but it doesn’t seem to order them by COP? I’m not sure what it’s ordering them by?
Also, will there be a button added (top right) to switch back to the main view?
Glad you’re finding it useful. One of my motivations for this project is for heatpump owners to be able to compare performance their systems against other similar systems to find potential problems.
While the standby for your system is considerably higher than others, you do still win the COP Of The Month award. Is there any way you can turn off the circulation pumps when they’re not required?
I’m finding the 30 day chart really interesting reading.
Lower the Flow temp, higher the COP. Who’d have thought it.
And you could also infer from that, by choosing a slightly higher internal room temp, you raise your required Flow and you drop your COP.
I look at Glyn and Trystan above me with their flow 2C and 5C below mine. (35C vs 33C vs 30C)
If I dropped my room temp down from 20.5 to 19.5, that would save me 5C on my flow.
Which would probably get me much closer to their COP.
But these are comfort decisions. We like the target 20.5, so
If I made the wife and kids sit with 2 jumpers and targeted 16C internal i’d be Top of the Scops!!
A good point our internal temp are usually between 19 and 19.5C in the evenings. Glyn’s are more like 20-20.5C in the evenings… Somehow Glyn’s house gets a degree warmer even though he is an end terrace, whilst we are a mid terrace… both of us have similar construction, though Glyn did get better air tightness results than us…