Grant R290 inbuilt monitoring vs MID meters

Continuing on the theme of inbuilt vs MID metering. See also:

Here’s an interesting result from a Grant R290 unit I helped install back in February.

Performance using the Level 3 bundle: 4.33 so far.

Running SCOP as reported by the local Econet API is settling to ~7.4! :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

So why are we seeing such a difference?

Zooming in on a short run period around the 25th of March where conditions are fairly stable:

Axioma Heat meter:

  • Flow temperature: 36.02C
  • Return temperature: 32.91C
  • DT: 3.11K
  • Flow rate: 15.01 L/min
  • Heat output: 3232W
  • Assumed specific heat = 3232÷((15.01÷60)×3.11) = 4154 J/kg.K (expected result)

Grant R290 inbuilt sensors

  • Flow temperature: 34.80C
  • Return temperature: 31.82C
  • DT: 2.98K (~4% less)
  • Flow rate: 18.27 L/min (~22% more)
  • Heat output: 4387W (36% more)
  • Assumed specific heat = 4387÷((18.27÷60)×2.98) = 4834 J/kg.K (strangely high!?)

Electric power is much better only a 0.2% difference!

really remarkably good only 0.25% difference here over a longer period!

The Econet API reported a COP of 6.3 over the 5:20-6:20am period selected above, even though it’s heat output / electrical input measurements suggest: 4387÷746.7 = 5.9. Perhaps it’s doing a running average or something. The MID metering COP for the same period is 4.33.

Cross checking the % of ideal Carnot using the MyHeatpump app gives 54.8% for the MID metered performance, which is towards the higher end of the range we would expect (but within the expected / realistic range). A COP of 6.3 would be 80% of carnot which is clearly too high.

I think @glyn.hudson spotted that Grant may have removed the COP/SCOP metrics from their app and so they may well be well aware of this accuracy issue, but it’s an another interesting data point on the variability in the quality of built in metering - and as I’ve said before - I do want the quality of built in metering to improve as I think higher accuracy built in metering is the right way to scale heat pump monitoring longer term - even though that would reduce the need for our product :sweat_smile:

@glyn.hudson’s 9 kW Grant R290

Axioma Heat meter:

  • Flow temperature: 29.65C
  • Return temperature: 27.5C
  • DT: 2.15K
  • Flow rate: 18.31 L/min
  • Heat output: 2697W
  • Assumed specific heat = 2697÷((18.31÷60)×2.15) = 4111 J/kg.K (expected result)

Grant R290 inbuilt sensors

  • Flow temperature: 29.22C
  • Return temperature: 26.73C
  • DT: 2.49K (~16% more)
  • Flow rate: 18.33 L/min (~0.1% more)
  • Heat output: 3809W (41% more)
  • Assumed specific heat = 3809÷((18.31÷60)×2.49) = 5013 J/kg.K (again very high..)

It’s interesting here that the flow rates are very similar but it’s now the DT and again the specific heat that’s off the mark.

On Glyn’s system the electrical measurement has also got a greater difference, e.g in the same window above SDM120 498W, grant in-built: 460W (7.6% less). Zooming out over a longer period of time the grant is reporting 9.4% less electric consumption in this window:

Here’s a comparative screenshot that Glyn took a while back that compared SCOP as reported on Econet with the SCOP/COP based on the MID meters.

Do Grant/econet measure the electrical power of the MMI / ethernet/wifi interface, given that is not fed from the heatpump itself?

No, but it only uses a few watts. It’s not really worth including. Unless any secondary pumps are installed, they should be included.

Unfortunately I don’t have an Open Energy Montior setup, but I can provide a data point for your survey.

My 9 kW Grant R290 was installed with an electricity meter attached, so it has been counting the kWh since installation. I have some semi-regular readings, about once per month.

I have also been recording the power consumption reported by the heat pump using Home Assistant, and integrating that to get a measure of daily energy.

I can compare the differences in the electricity meter readings against the HA data.

The agreement is better than I expected:

Electricity meter total: 1561 kWh

Integration of Grant’s reported power: 1528 kWh

Dates Elec. meter Grant’s own reporting
6/1 - 23/1 355 334
23/1 - 6/2 295 289
6/2 - 4/3 387 354
4/3 - 16/4 390 393
16/4 - 6/6 134 137

The onboard Grant electrical metering accuracy is pretty decent, it’s the on board heat metering is where the error is.