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Arduino based Mk2 PV Diverter being resurrected

Hi,

I have just rejoined the forum after a break of a few years. ( House move, no PV at “new” house .)

At the “old” house I had successfully run Robin’s Mk2 PV Diverter for several years. I had modified the system to run multiple loads on a hierarchical structure.

  1. Kettle
  2. Immersion Heater
  3. Mobile socket for any heating load:- sandwich toaster, slow cooker etc
  4. Underfloor Heating In Bathroom
  5. Heater in tumble drier
  6. Oil filled radiator for space heating

After three years I am now about to have PV installed at the “new” house - 6kW PV system with battery storage.

I am about to dig out the diverter hardware from the garage & reinstall it.

Having looked at the website recently I realise the hardware has improved & moved on. I intend to fit my basic PV Diverter for now & “modernise” later.

I also have electric car charging to incorporate.

My query is, the battery system obviously measures any “spare” power available & charges itself, I don’t know how the system works yet.

Questions:-

How will the PV Diverter interact & work with this system.

Will each system interfere with the other?

Will battery system have priority over the available spare power?

How can I integrate the two systems.

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Welcome back.:+1:

Robin’s system and software is still available to constructors - all the (modern) details are on his website https://mk2pvrouter.co.uk/

There’s no reason why the two or more systems won’t work together - but each must not try to steal from the other. There’s a thread running at the moment about this, and I solved a similar problem with another user some while ago.

You’ll need to make sure that all systems can accept a control hierarchy. The system with highest priority needs to be seen by the one with the lower priority as part of it’s normal domestic load, and the higher priority system must not see the dump load(s) of the lower priority system(s).

The user whom I helped had just two systems - I think battery and water heating, and his problem was the two systems oscillated, stealing power from each other alternately. I suggested that he ran the wire feeding his immersion heater backwards through the grid c.t. of the other system, so its current in the main cable was cancelled out. So it knew nothing about the immersion heater, while the immersion PV system saw the battery charger as part of the normal house load, which automatically had priority. That solved the problem.

With the overall control strategy hopefully explained:

That depends entirely how the two systems want to interact, according to the type of installation the designer of the battery system envisaged or assumed.

Unless you do something like I’ve outlined, there’s every possibility of that.

If you decide that will be so, yes (given what I’ve written above).

[Edit]
Here’s the previous thread about a battery charger:


And the conclusion:

Hi Robert

It occurred to me that if the tails are too large in diameter to share the same CT then maybe a second CT could be used which is connected in series with the first but in anti-phase on the other tail.

Brian

Don’t forget that a c.t. is a current source. Either a larger aperture c.t. or a second, connected in parallel, would suffice. But it’s early days yet to be specifying components.

We don’t know what the single-line diagram of the installation looks like. Very much depends on the physical layout of the wiring, and that’s never installed for the convenience of advanced control & monitoring. :cry:

Well, the PV system is now installed :- 6kW of panels & 4.5kWh storage battery. Just getting used to the system & working out how it all works together. Despite the cloudy day, the battery was fully charged by lunchtime & I was exporting all afternoon.
The first thing I noticed & probably a big problem with regard to reinstalling the PV diverter is the battery system does not rely on ct’s to measure the “spare” power. Instead, I have an Eastron SDM230 Modbus export meter fitted in the meter box. This seems to sense the spare power & feeds signal back via a data cable to the hybrid inverter. It is not possible to route the diverted power cable thru this unit as suggested.
How should I proceed reinstalling the PV diverter.
In the short term I’m switching to Octopus Energy so that I can at least get paid for my export.

The only way I can see to do that would be to add a Henley Block and a new consumer unit, feeding only the diverted load, between the main isolator switch and the supplementary Eastron Modbus meter, which presumably isn’t just metering export, but is differentiating between import and export and it’s the battery system picking out the data it needs. The diverter c.t. must be upstream of the Henley block.

You might well find that the “energy bucket” the L&G meter uses is quite small, and the diverter may need tweaking to avoid overflowing the meter’s energy bucket (see https://learn.openenergymonitor.org/pv-diversion/background/meters for the background to this).