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Hi everyone,
I live in Australia and our Gas meter is made by EDMI. I could neither get a clear reply from gas retailer nor from the manufacturer (EDMI) whether a magnetic pulse reader (reed switch or hall effect sensor) can remotely detects rolling of the last dial from outside. The meter datasheet (https://www.edmi-meters.com/australasia/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/U8-Factsheet-English.pdf) says there is a pulse-ready magnetic output but I imagine the port is inside the meter and I am not allowed to access that. I checked magnetic field around the last digit using an industrial hall-effect proximity sensor (https://au.element14.com/hamlin/55110-3h-02-a/sensor-hall-effect-flange-mount/dp/5052609) but it didn’t find anything during an entire rotation while I checked it and it detects a small magnet within 10 mm distance.
This is my gas meter picture and I am hoping someone experienced could identify the meter type and its reading approach from the shape of the front meter. Thank you.

I don’t have a feel for magnetic field strengths, but the data sheet would suggest to me that the sensor is not particularly sensitive - the most sensitive version responds to 40 Gauss, whereas the Earth’s magnetic field is ½ Gauss or so. (You wouldn’t want an industrial sensor to be sensitive to it’s mounting orientation, would you?) Do you have a plain old magnetic compass that you could try with?

Good point. I didn’t check with a plain compass as I don’t have any but I will try one and will update the post. Thank you.

Update update! I used my phone and a compass app to detect any small magnetic field around the meter while numbers are rolling. The app shows around 50 to 60 uT which is equal to 0.5 to 0.6 Gauss at normal conditions and pointing to the true north. When I get it close around the meter sometimes it reaches to 1 Gauss (100 uT) which sounds very weak and cannot be from a real magnet. I also took a photo from the meter side which shows a rolling cog having a piece of metal on that but I am not sure if it’s a magnet as if it was the compass should have detected stronger magnetic fields. Having said that I tested the compass app with a small magnet and it shows easily more than 10 Gauss while within 20 mm of the magnet.

That is interesting. What app did you use?

How close is that piece of metal (at its closest) to the red oval shape I can see on the other picture - and is that red thing a plug filling the place where the manufacturer’s own sensor would fit? If the piece of metal rotates on its shaft once per 10 l, then I think it’s a near certainty that that’s where you need to put a reed switch (which is mentioned on the data sheet).

To be honest, I’m not surprised you didn’t get a positive result with a phone app, because you don’t know where the magnetic field sensor is inside your phone. And the distance between sensor and magnet is crucial - I seem to remember it’s an inverse cube law (but I’m open to correction here), whereas the phone’s sensor expects to be working in a fairly uniform field - the earth’s.

Thanks Robert. I checked the phone’s sensor with another magnet and it’s definitely located at the phone’s top as it quickly reacts to approaching even a small magnet within 20 mm but anyway as you said the field weakens proportional to square of distance. And yes the oval red cap is the Utility sealing and obviously the piece of metal or magnet gets very close to that when it passes its highest point. But still I am wondering if utility fits a reed switch into that cap for meter reading, the piece of metal should be a good magnet creating more magnetic field than that I measured. I am coming to this conclusion that the only way for this one probably is optic reading as at least there is a small mirror on number 6.

And it looks as if the red cap definitely won’t come out?

There are comprehensive details of an optical sensor in ‘Learn’, contributed anonymously.

I haven’t built it, but the design looks sound and the contributor had confidence in its performance. The big problem will be ambient light. Provided your meter can be shaded (I see dappled sunlight falling on it :-1: ) then I think it should be OK.

App name: Compass (from melon soft with +10 M downloads on Google Play)

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