I’m in the final stages of converting my two 11.2kW Ecodan systems (installed 2016) into a single Ecodan cascade system with 22.4kW. I struggled to find information for certain aspects of the setup prior to starting the project so thought where better to document my experience. I’ve calculated my heat loss to be between 12-14kW @-3C so expect to be able to run most of the household heating requirements from a single unit over the colder months.
I’ll be commissioning the heat meters and electricity metering during September and will be adding to http://heatpumpmonitor.org/ once it’s done.
The documentation in the Mitsubishi FTC installation guide is pretty comprehensive but left me with a few unanswered questions which I will highlight here.
I will add to this post as I discover more about the way the system works.
I’m also monitoring/controlling via Home Assistant through the CN105 on each controller and there’s some opportunity to expand on the great work that @F1p has done with his ready made monitor/control solution.
First challenge was I needed a third FTC to act as the master controller (the existing FTCs would become slave controllers). I purchased a new boxed one from eBay for a reasonable price.
Second challenge was a manifold/LLH to connect the two heat sources into a single system. I went for an NRG5 from Product Item | NRG Awareness Advanced Heating System Design which allows multiple heat sources and zones to be attached. It also provides a neutral point in the system ideal for adding an automatic air vent plus filling loop and expansion tank/PRV etc.
I wanted to replace my high resistance 3-way ESBE valve which seems to fail every couple of years with something more substantial and lower resistance. I also needed a second 3-way valve so that I could run either heat pump in DHW mode. I went for Belimo R3032-BL3 with NR230A actuators. They are excellently engineered pieces of kit with very low resistance, however they are also huge and not cheap.
I was also previously seeing low flow rates on both my systems of between 16-18l/min on max pump speed with the existing Grundfos UPS2 25/40-60 pumps. I’ve upgraded some of the pipe work from 28mm to 35mm but I’m unable to access most of it without major works. With the changes I’m still seeing around 18l/min on the system that still has the old primary pump. I’ve upgrade the primary pump on one of the systems to a Wilo Stratos MAXO 25/0.5-12, this pump is achieving ~32l/min at circa 10m/head in heating mode, this drops to around 28l/min at 12m/head when in DHW mode (resistance through the DHW heat exchanger is clearly high!). The Wilo pump is a beast and the technology is pretty cool, I’ll be looking at options to control speed based on dT etc. over the winter.
Some early learnings that weren’t apparent from the documentation;
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All the FTC versions need to be the same (FTC5 in my case as I have the R410a outdoor units). Although they don’t necessarily need to be on the same firmware (likely best to keep them the same if possible though).
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The DHW circulator pump doesn’t operate from the controller in cascade mode as it does in standalone (one of my units was pre-plumb). I’m using an external relay to control.
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With both slave units configured with DHW mode active the system will run both heat pumps concurrently to replenish hot water. I’m planning to have one of the units enabled for DHW at any time and will periodically switch between them.
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I’ve currently got an issue with OUT2 on the master FTC not running the zone 1 heating circulator pump. I’m not sure if this is a fault with the FTC or another cascade oddity.