I am considering to use ATM90E32 for polyphase measurement of a 3-phase 3-wire system (3P3W, Y).
But, I am unable to find any reference diagram for 3-phase 3-wire system.
Can you someone please share any source material or point me in a right direction.
Welcome, Anurag, to the OEM forum.
I’m not sure what you want. You say you have a 3-phase, 3-wire system:
What does the “Y” mean? If you mean star connected, you have a 4-wire system. Your connections can only be in delta if you have a 3-wire system.
Also, what do you want from a “reference diagram”? Have you looked carefully at the Atmel website?
(it took me under a minute to find this: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/Appnotes/Atmel-46103-SE-M90E32AS-ApplicationNote.pdf) If what you want to know is not in there, I would be extremely surprised.
Hi Robert,
Sorry for the typo.
I meant delta connected 3-wire 3-phase system.
And yes, I have figured out the same reference material.
Regards,
Anurag
So - what is your difficulty? On page 9, there’s an application circuit diagram, showing the voltage inputs and current inputs, and optical isolation on the digital outputs.
The GND connection shown means that the whole circuit up to the opto-isolators on the outputs is live to Phase B. You must not test nor work on this circuit as drawn unless you are experienced and competent to work on live apparatus.
How can I do connection with 3P3W.
As there are only two wires A & B, which are connected.
How should I connect B, as those MCU pins are connected to GND.
Does that mean I don’t have to connect one of the wires?? If yes, then how do I determine which one not to connect??
Have you read the page in ‘Learn’ about 3-phase power? When measuring any power, one of the very basic facts is this: you need one less wattmeter than the number of wires. Now one channel of your M90 counts as a wattmeter, so the diagram is perfectly correct: it treats Phase B as the reference or common wire (and you don’t measure the current in that one) and it measures the currents in phases A & C, and measures the voltages between A & B and C & B. And this is why I warned you about safety:
I am a Chartered Electrical Engineer, I don’t think you understand the danger that you are putting yourself in.
If you must continue with this project, then I think you must use an isolating transformer to measure the voltages, and not make a direct connection to the mains electricity. That will be expensive, but how do you measure the cost to your family if you lose your life?
I think you need two of these: SPT-0375 Potential Transformer Output Proportional Input Magnelab to replace the direct connections via the chains of resistors R3 - R10 and R25 - R32.
Connect the BRN wire of the first SPT-0375 to Line A.
Connect the BRN wire of the second SPT-0375 to Line C.
Connect the BLU wires of both SPT-0375 to Line B.
Connect the WHT wire of the first SPT-0375 to the VAP input (Pin 13) of the M80.
Connect the WHT wire of the second SPT-0375 to the VCP input (Pin 17) of the M80.
Connect the BLK wires of the both SPT-0375 to GND.
Thanks for your response.
I think its more feasible to use Delta to Star transformer, then feed it to IC.
Just reading it now, I have a question here.
I am also making a 3P 3W energy meter and its going to be used with the output of a VFD having Delta configuration. In application note of ATM90E36A, they use Phase B as reference Gnd. My only concern is how can I power up the IC. Can i use an Isolated DC-DC power supply to power up the IC because i cannot use the Phase voltages as source as they are going to be adjusted with VFD?
Something like This
Welcome, @Muhammad_Abdullah to the OEM forum.
How are you going to get the data out of your Metering IC? As you have your schematic, unless you are using radio or optics, the output is referenced to Phase B, which might but probably won’t be anywhere near the true ground potential. You must remember that all the metering is probably at a dangerous voltage, so you must have adequate protection in place, both for you and anyone who might work on it, and for any equipment that might be connected. With that warning in mind, yes you can do as you suggest.
ok thanks.
Hey @Robert.Wall, so i am writing firmware for one such system where i am trying to read the data from the atm90e36a energy metering IC. Previously, i have this IC operate on 3P4W mode and that is working perfectly but ever since i have shifted it to 3P3W mode, the voltage values are not coming correctly. I do know that the line voltages will be coming to the IC and that instead of phase, the line voltages will be provided by the IC. However, there is a great mismatch between the measured values by the chip and Reference values that appear on the DMM. I am not sure if this is a problem of register confgiuration. Kindly look into it
Welcome to the forum.
Sorry, but the forum doesn’t work that way.
You must have the data sheets for your device, you have it in front of you and are able to change settings, compare readings and experiment. I have no intention of repeating your experiments. I cannot do any more than recommend you very carefully and thoroughly read the data sheets and any other application notes that are available from the manufacturer.
In my 50+ years of experience in this industry, all you need to know is almost always available from the manufacturer, in some form or another.
@Robert.Wall I apologize for my behaviour. You are absolutely right i followed the datasheet and it helped to convert it to 3P3W mode. The problem i was encountering earlier was that the atm90e36a was getting the voltage and current values generated by the inverter and they were not pure sine waves but modulated sine waves. However when connected with the external 3 phase supply in 3P3W mode the atm90e36a was giving correct value. Can you guide if atm90e36a chip can not capture the modulated values accurately.
Why do you think the atm90e36a is not accurate? What are you comparing it to, and how do you know that is accurate? How different are the two values?
